Did Joseph Smith meet Satan in his first vision?
When Joseph Smith took the question of which church he should Join join in his 1832 first vision recounts the the two Heavenly figures telling him, "Join none of them for all their creeds are an abomination"
(depiction of how Latter Day Saint Missionaries portray the vision)
or did they mean,
join none of them for all heir Creeds are an Abomination...
join none of them for all heir Creeds are an Abomination...
(depiction to a Catholic being dissuaded by Satan to stay in the Catholic Church)
Would God tell his earnest seekers of truth to walk away from the Church that is the holder and protector of the Universal truth? Ponder that before dismissing the creeds of the Catholic church.
The Latter Day Saints have a unique tradition with an interesting take on “who is Jesus?” The Jesus portrayed by Joseph Smith doesn’t always play well with the scripture revealed to the Saints before 1830. St. Ignatius of Loyola on his series of the discernment of Spirits taught that even the devil can give you good feelings, but they always lead to Spiritual desolation at the end. The Jesus, Jospeh Smith saw told him not to believe any of those Saints for their creeds are an abomination to god. But bit by bit the LDS Church are adopting to the traditions of the Saints before Joseph Smith introduced the world to a people group called the “Latter Day Saints”
The R-LDS or the Emma Smith’s movement already accepted the Nicene creed and the Trinity in their understanding of the Book of Mormon verse 2 Nephi 31:21 which reads:
“….And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.”
As the LDS church turns towards the teachings of the original apostles of Jesus Christ and the Saints they ordained, the LDS church will become more like the Church that Jesus founded when He gave the keys to Peter and said, “Simon Peter, upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell won’t prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18.
You won’t find that in the Book of Mormon. You’ll have to go to the original source and learn about it from the apostolic successors of Peter and the original apostles.
I’d invite my LDS friends to bring the same energy and curiosity that you bring to reading the Book of Mormon to understanding the formation of the Bible, from manuscripts to a beautifully bound book that made its way into the Hands of Joseph Smith. The Words and Wisdom contained in them moved Joseph Smith to know more. But as he inquired of the Lord on which church to join, Joseph Smith recounts in his first vision which accounts which you can read about from a Faithful Latter Day Saint site called the Joseph Smith Papers project. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/.../accounts-of-the...
If you compare his account in 1832 and 1835, it took him three years to introduce the second personage into account of the first vision. What the missionaries teach us from is the 1838 account which has significant additions from its original account such as the dark energy that overcame him before he saw the pillar of light come down and call him by name and then advice to not join any of the churches because their creeds are an abomination. Not sure about your tradition, but in ours when a dark spirit overcomes you and two heavenly personages tell you that the creeds of the Catholic Church is an abomination we usually report that to the Archdiocese to inquire about the spirit to determine whether an exorcist may need to get involved. So I hope you understand the cautious approach to accepting any doctrines that are built on this questionable foundation of leaving the Catholic Church and its Universal truths.
The Latter Day Saints have a unique tradition with an interesting take on “who is Jesus?” The Jesus portrayed by Joseph Smith doesn’t always play well with the scripture revealed to the Saints before 1830. St. Ignatius of Loyola on his series of the discernment of Spirits taught that even the devil can give you good feelings, but they always lead to Spiritual desolation at the end. The Jesus, Jospeh Smith saw told him not to believe any of those Saints for their creeds are an abomination to god. But bit by bit the LDS Church are adopting to the traditions of the Saints before Joseph Smith introduced the world to a people group called the “Latter Day Saints”
The R-LDS or the Emma Smith’s movement already accepted the Nicene creed and the Trinity in their understanding of the Book of Mormon verse 2 Nephi 31:21 which reads:
“….And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.”
As the LDS church turns towards the teachings of the original apostles of Jesus Christ and the Saints they ordained, the LDS church will become more like the Church that Jesus founded when He gave the keys to Peter and said, “Simon Peter, upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell won’t prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18.
You won’t find that in the Book of Mormon. You’ll have to go to the original source and learn about it from the apostolic successors of Peter and the original apostles.
I’d invite my LDS friends to bring the same energy and curiosity that you bring to reading the Book of Mormon to understanding the formation of the Bible, from manuscripts to a beautifully bound book that made its way into the Hands of Joseph Smith. The Words and Wisdom contained in them moved Joseph Smith to know more. But as he inquired of the Lord on which church to join, Joseph Smith recounts in his first vision which accounts which you can read about from a Faithful Latter Day Saint site called the Joseph Smith Papers project. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/.../accounts-of-the...
If you compare his account in 1832 and 1835, it took him three years to introduce the second personage into account of the first vision. What the missionaries teach us from is the 1838 account which has significant additions from its original account such as the dark energy that overcame him before he saw the pillar of light come down and call him by name and then advice to not join any of the churches because their creeds are an abomination. Not sure about your tradition, but in ours when a dark spirit overcomes you and two heavenly personages tell you that the creeds of the Catholic Church is an abomination we usually report that to the Archdiocese to inquire about the spirit to determine whether an exorcist may need to get involved. So I hope you understand the cautious approach to accepting any doctrines that are built on this questionable foundation of leaving the Catholic Church and its Universal truths.
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